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First, is a meaningful peace agreement possible?

My answer is no. We are now in a war where both sides – Ukraine and the West on one side and Russia on the other – see each other as an existential threat that must be defeated.
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Wrong.
Russia can have peace at any time. All it would take is for Russia to get the heck out of ALL of Ukraine.

Russia also still has nukes. NATO, the West, America, I can't see any of them advocating an invasion of Russia.

Back in the 1990's after Russia imploded most European countries cut their defense spending. The world could have seen an outbreak of 'long term peace' through out Europe . . . But Russia decided to rebuild the vaunted 'Red Army'. Russia decided to take a little bite out of a country named Georgia. And Russia decided to take a big bite out of Ukraine. In 2014.

Blaming it all on 'NATO expansion' is propaganda.

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Mearsheimer Warns Of Humiliating US Defeat in Ukraine War Trajectory
By: Fiz
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Fri, 30 Jun 23 12:47 PM
Msg. 43984 of 58510

Remember, I said in the beginning: the US Weaponization of USD will go down in history as the dumbest military move in World History. US engagement was the start of WW3. We have already lost, but don't know it yet.

WW3 is mostly non-kinetic..unless it goes thermonuclear. But to the NeoCon whose only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Thanks a lot, NeoCons. You defeated the US and served your Master, Biden/Obama, as commanded.

The following paper, however, is mostly about kinetic aspects of Ukraine, specifically, and steers away from the global picture where the US is being "chump changed". That is the full WW3 stage; which the US will now be too economically and morally exhausted, and conflicted, to pursue effectively. That involves BRICS+ and, especially, China. -Fiz

http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mearsheimer-warns-darkness-ahead-where-ukraine-war-headed

Mearsheimer Warns Of 'The Darkness Ahead': Where The Ukraine War Is Headed

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Jun 29, 2023 - 09:40 PM

Via John Mearsheimer's Substack,

This paper examines the likely trajectory of the Ukraine war moving forward.

I will address two main questions.

First, is a meaningful peace agreement possible?

My answer is no. We are now in a war where both sides – Ukraine and the West on one side and Russia on the other – see each other as an existential threat that must be defeated. Given maximalist objectives all around, it is almost impossible to reach a workable peace treaty. Moreover, the two sides have irreconcilable differences regarding territory and Ukraine’s relationship with the West. The best possible outcome is a frozen conflict that could easily turn back into a hot war. The worst possible outcome is a nuclear war, which is unlikely but cannot be ruled out.

Second, which side is likely to win the war?

Russia will ultimately win the war, although it will not decisively defeat Ukraine.
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The conventional wisdom about the war’s origins is that Putin launched an unprovoked attack on 24 February 2022, which was motivated by his grand plan to create a greater Russia. Ukraine, it is said, was the first country he intended to conquer and annex, but not the last. As I have said on numerous occasions, there is no evidence to support this line of argument, and indeed there is considerable evidence that directly contradicts it.

While there is no question Russia invaded Ukraine, the ultimate cause of the war was the West’s decision – and here we are talking mainly about the United States – to make Ukraine a Western bulwark on Russia’s border. The key element in that strategy was bringing Ukraine into NATO, a move that not only Putin, but the entire Russian foreign policy establishment, saw as an existential threat that had to be eliminated.

It is often forgotten that numerous American and European policymakers and strategists opposed NATO expansion from the start because they understood that the Russians would see it as a threat, and that the policy would eventually lead to disaster."
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Fiz: I just want to conclude, for those who don't understand strategy very well: Russia never needed to defeat the US kinetically in order for the US to be defeated, BECAUSE THE PRIMARY TARGET WAS TO HUMILIATE THE US/NATO and DETHRONE THE DOLLAR as the world reserve currency. AND THE PRIMARY ENEMY WASN'T RUSSIA. That is the BRICS+ level of this engagement.

But the US has already exhausted itself, before the main show really even gets rolling. That is why China hired Biden. This is why China is feeding Fentanyl into the US, while Biden has wide-opened the Southern border. And the NeoCons do their Three Stooges routine; performing as ordered.

So, our NeoCons fell for the setup; they are actually serving China/BRICS+, -- and apparently the WEF. In order for the US to win, we had to keep Russia and China apart. That could have been EASILY done. But, no: the US IYI didn't have the cognitive capacity to see this setup and recognize that Russia, post collapse of the USSR, was not the USSR. Russia, more than anything else, just wanted a little respect, and they would have stayed out of China's sphere of influence.

Trump had the US on a high road, which might have foiled the BRICS setup. But it required PEACE. The one thing the NeoCons are intellectually incapable of understanding, apparently, is that, in the long run, ECONOMICS TRUMPS KINETICS every time.


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