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Re: The Ukraine War Cronkite Moment  

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cronkite handed the Viet Cong a HUMUNGous propaganda victory . . . Right after the viet cong were effectively wiped out as a fighting force.

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The Ukraine War’s ‘Cronkite Moment’
By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE
Thu, 02 Nov 23 12:55 PM 		Msg. 47164 of 60008

November 1, 2023

The Ukraine War’s ‘Cronkite Moment’
Zelensky's own inner circle tells TIME that the war is unwinnable

Zelensky's own inner circle tells TIME that the war is unwinnable


by David Sacks
AmericanSpectator.com


I   f you haven’t read it yet, this week’s TIME magazine cover story on Zelensky is extraordinary. It confirms almost everything that critics of the war have been saying, starting with the fact that it is unwinnable for Ukraine.

Moreover, it goes further in describing Zelensky as “delusional” for his failure to recognize battlefield realities and his unwillingness to consider peace negotiations with Russia.

Most remarkably, the sources for the article are Zelensky’s own aides and advisers. In other words, the “Putin talking points” are coming from inside the house.

The author Simon Shuster (@shustry) previously wrote the article naming Zelensky TIME’s “Person of the Year” for 2022, so it cannot be said that he has not portrayed Zelensky favorably in the past. Presumably this is why he was granted such privileged access to Zelensky’s inner circle.

Ostensibly the article portrays Zelensky as a heroic figure forced to go it alone as times get tough and Western allies start to “abandon” him. But the truth leaks out as Zelensky’s aides pour forth a torrent of complaints and inconvenient truths. These include:

1) Ukraine’s war aims are unrealistic. Kyiv has long maintained that its definition of victory, namely the retaking of all Ukrainian territory including Crimea, is achievable with Western arms and money. After a disastrous summer counteroffensive, Zelensky’s advisers have reconsidered. Yet Zelensky’s belief in ultimate victory over Russia has only “hardened into a form that worries some of his advisors.” Shuster describes Zelensky’s faith as “immovable, verging on the messianic.” One of Zelensky’s closest aides tells Shuster that, “He is delusional. We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”

2) Staggering casualties have decimated the Ukrainian army. Ukraine has refused to disclose casualty counts throughout the war, dismissing as Russian propaganda the increasingly-credible reports of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian casualties. But another close aide to Zelensky tells Shuster that casualties are so horrific that “even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, ‘we don’t have the men to use them.’” Shuster reports that “In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition.” According to the article, the average age of a currently-serving Ukrainian soldier is 43 and getting older all the time. The youth have already been sacrificed.

3) Morale is collapsing. Within the officer ranks, there is growing dissension bordering on mutiny. One close Zelensky aide complained to Shuster that some front-line commanders have begun refusing orders to advance even when they come directly from the office of the President. In many cases, orders are refused because they are deemed impossible.

4) Corruption is uncontrollable. It has long been taboo in Western media to suggest that Ukraine’s government is shot through with corruption. Yet a top presidential advisor admitted as much to Shuster once his audio recorder had been shut off: “People are stealing like there is no tomorrow.”

After Walter Cronkite returned from his fact-finding mission to Vietnam in 1968, he concluded that the war was unwinnable. He ended his famous broadcast to the American people with this exhortation:

“it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.”

Now that the truth is clear and undeniable, will we take Cronkite’s advice with regard to this war? Will we seek to negotiate an honorable peace and save the Ukrainian people from further needless slaughter? Or will we remain trapped in Zelensky’s bunker of “delusion” — psychologically if not physically — waiting for the inevitable end?

Yes, I *do* realize that the reference to Cronkite is going to piss off our board's military contingency. That didn't change the fact that Cronkite was ultimately right: South Vietnam and its allies were not committed to winning and therefore wouldn't. This article's author, too, is going to be right... and perhaps for the same reason. You don't see western soldiers fighting and dying in Ukraine, do you? So Ukraine's allies AREN'T committed to victory. Ukraine is destined to lose. The only question is, 'How many more weeks can it hang on?'

http://amgreatness.com/2023/11/01/the-ukraine-wars-cronkite-moment/

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