« 6TH POPE Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next

Re: Is Russia winning or losing inUkraine?

By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
Sun, 26 Nov 23 10:11 AM | 35 view(s)
Boardmark this board | 6th Edition Pope Board
Msg. 47714 of 58545
(This msg. is a reply to 47709 by Zimbler0)

Jump:
Jump to board:
Jump to msg. #

Zimbler0:

Re: “In my opinion, Russia is losing.”
It is clear that the combatants in a war ALL 'lose.' But History generally considers the overall los_er_ to be the side that, regardless of cost, fails to attain its objective. Assuredly, both sides might end up being losers.

Presently, Russia can still emerge as what History will call the 'winner.' I don't see how Ukraine possibly can. Its objective is to retain its sovereignty. But too much of its population and infrastructure has already been lost for that happy result. If Russia backs off, what remains will be something other than Ukraine.








Avatar

Gold is $1,581/oz today. When it hits $2,000, it will be up 26.5%. Let's see how long that takes. - De 3/11/2013 - ANSWER: 7 Years, 5 Months


- - - - -
View Replies (2) »



» You can also:
- - - - -
The above is a reply to the following message:
Is Russia winning or losing inUkraine?
By: Zimbler0
in 6TH POPE
Sun, 26 Nov 23 2:56 AM
Msg. 47709 of 58545

In my opinion, Russia is losing.

Russia has already lost the bulk of its modern armored vehicles, the bulk of its 'front line' officer corps, and (in my opinion) tooo many of the young guys they need to man their factories, farms, and other units in the Russian economy.

Following is the last three paragraphs from a 'Strategy Page' article.

>>>
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlog/articles/20231125.aspx

NATO is a mutual defense organization to protect members from Russian attack. One reason Russia attacked Ukraine was because Ukraine wanted to join NATO. After two years of fighting, NATO has told Ukraine that they could join even while the war with Russian invaders continued. So far, Ukrainians have been doing all the fighting against the Russians, but NATO nations have supplied them with the weapons and economic assistance to keep going. Russian losses have been so heavy that Russia is having problems raising and equipping more troops. The original Russian explanation for their invasion of Ukraine was to protect Russia from NATO aggression. Eventually most Russians realized that NATO was and always has been a defensive organization and in Ukraine, Russians are the invaders.

In 2022 the Russian defense budget was $75 billion. When their initial invasion failed, the defense budget for 2023 rose by a third and will keep increasing until Russia can get itself out of the mess it created in Ukraine. Russian aggression against Ukraine began in 2014 when Russia seized the Ukrainian province of Crimea and portions of two other provinces in eastern Ukraine. Ukraine wants the Russians out of all of Ukraine that it seized in 2014-2015 and 2022-2023. Currently Russia occupies 18 percent of Ukraine, down from 27 percent in 2022. Ukraine’s NATO allies agree that as long as Russia occupies Ukrainian territory, the war will continue.

Russia is a large and wealthy country, with an annual economic (GDP) of $2 trillion. Yet that is half the size of the German economy, and the American GDP is twenty times larger than Russia’s and the U.S. is the supporter of Ukraine when it comes to weapons, munitions and economic assistance. While Ukraine has powerful allies, all Russia has is Iran and North Korea. The Russian government also has a major problem. If the war in Ukraine fails, the Russian government will fall. Russian leader Vladimir Putin is running out of political allies inside Russia and eventually that means a new government. A new government would probably be more practical, because Putin’s risky actions have cost Russia a lot of casualties and the loss of most modern Russian weapons and munitions, particularly the expensive high-tech ones.
>>>

Zim.


« 6TH POPE Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next