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I have the distinct impression that Russia has already lost this war. They just don't recognize it.

Russia's 'Black Sea Fleet' has been decimated. And they don't have the funds to rebuild it.

Russia has lost the vast majority of their front line armor - they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for early cold war tanks to prosecute the war with.

Russia has lost more than a few air-craft - and they don't have the means or funds to replace them.

Russia has a declining population. They've kidnapped tens of thousands of Ukrainian kids to try and replace them with . . . but they've lost hundreds of thousands of 'fine young men' trying to conquer Ukraine.

Russia'a infrastructure is crumbling . . . who's going to rebuild it? Remember all those young workers Putin got killed in Ukraine? They won't be doing it.

Yeah, Russia might yet conquer Ukraine . . . But between the destruction in Ukraine coupled with the Ukrainians themselves being unwilling to 'work for the the greater Russian good' . . .I'm not at all sure Russia is going to get what they hoped to get.

Not to mention that China might decide soon would be a good time to start nibbling on Russia's 'Far East'.

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Pope Francis: Ukraine Should Have the Courage to Surrender
By: De_Composed
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Sun, 10 Mar 24 2:15 AM
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March 9, 2024

Pope Francis: Ukraine Should Have the Courage of the ‘White Flag,’ Negotiate End of War with Russia

by BREITBART NEWS
Breitbart.com


Pope Francis has said in an interview that Ukraine, facing possible defeat, should have the courage to negotiate an end to the war with Russia and not be ashamed to sit at the same table to carry out peace talks.

The pope made his appeal during an interview recorded last month with Swiss broadcaster RSI, which was partially released on Saturday.

“I think that the strongest one is the one who looks at the situation, thinks about the people and has the courage of the white flag, and negotiates,” Francis said, adding that talks should take place with the help of international powers.

Ukraine remains firm on not engaging directly with Russia on peace talks, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has said multiple times the initiative in peace negotiations must belong to the country which has been invaded.

Russia is gaining momentum on the battlefield in the war now in its third year and Ukraine is running low on ammunition. Meanwhile, some of Ukraine’s allies in the West are delicately raising the prospect of sending troops.

Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said Saturday that Francis picked up the “white flag” term that had been used by the interviewer. He issued a statement of clarification after the pope’s “white flag” comments sparked criticism that he was siding with Russia in the conflict.

Throughout the war, Francis has tried to maintain the Vatican’s traditional diplomatic neutrality, but that has often been accompanied by apparent sympathy with the Russian rationale for invading Ukraine, such as when he noted that NATO was “barking at Russia’s door” with its eastward expansion.

Francis said in the RSI interview that “the word negotiate is a courageous word.”

“When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, you have to have the courage to negotiate,” he said. “Negotiations are never a surrender.”

The pope also reminded people that some countries have offered to act as mediators in the conflict.

“Today, for example, in the war in Ukraine, there are many who want to mediate,” he said. “Turkey has offered itself for this. And others. Do not be ashamed to negotiate before things get worse.”

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan — whose NATO-member country has sought to balance its close relations with both Ukraine and Russia — has offered during a visit Friday from Zelenskyy to host a peace summit between the two countries.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/pope-francis-ukraine-should-have-the-courage-of-the-white-flag-negotiate-end-of-war-with-russia/


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