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Re: “Many have attempted to change the words, add to, or subtract from God's words over the centuries. Even the scholars involved in the original King James version were not without flaw.”
While I wasn't familiar with the "Textus Receptus," I did a quick search and found:

  Textus Receptus was published by Desiderius Erasmus in his 1516 edition of the Greek New Testament: Novum Instrumentum omne
  Textus Receptus was refined by Robert Estienne [Stephanus] in 1550
  Textus Receptus was further refined by Theodore Beza in 1598
  Textus Receptus was again edited by F.H.A. Scrivener in 1881

Sounds like there was lots of interpretation, translation, copying, editing... all the problems that make the Bible problematic. Not to mention that it came along about one and a half millennia too late. There's still the problem of WHICH Bible version to follow. There are more than nine hundred circulating today. Who knows how many others were thrown out long ago because, as you said, "Serious scholars rejected it, completely"? Rejected. Who are humans to decide such a thing? And who were the flawed humans who rejected Bibles they didn't like? Undoubtedly Catholics, in many cases. Probably others with agendas unknown.

I don't want to step on anyone's faith. For me, though, the Bible is a set of parables and information, but God must be found within oneself, not in any contrivance of man.







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Re: The Narrative is not the Truth:
By: monkeytrots
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Sun, 02 Jun 24 7:32 PM
Msg. 53777 of 58533

Well said, micro. And thank you for the biblical passages. Excellent work.

Many have attempted to change the words, add to, or subtract from God's words over the centuries. Even the scholars involved in the original King James version were not without flaw. They (or some of them) did not believe in the virgin birth of Christ, and thus translated those passages as 'a young maid'. But the original textus receptus remained, and is still used today for checking the accuracy of translations.

The wildly proclaimed Dead Sea Scrolls are another example - the argument was that because they were 'older' than any other 'copies' that they must be better. That of course ignored the obvious logical problem of 'Why do they still exist ?' - Could it be that they still exist because few ever used them because they were known to be extremely flawed at the time of their 'writing'/'copying' ? There is another example of a so-called 'oldest' version of a 'bible' found in an African 'church' (in Ethiopia I think) - which differed WILDLY from everything else ever preserved. Some attempted to pass this off as 'The Truth'. Serious scholars rejected it, completely. For good reasons.

There actually has been a lot of scholarly logic, thought, and science used in this area. God does not allow his Word to be corrupted.

As in the Garden, the snake will always continue attempting to twist and distort what God has actually said. Those that listen to the snake will be deceived.

An example - 'will surely die'. Twist, well they didn't die for hundreds of years. SO ? Did they die? Yes. The implication in the verse is that they would live forever, never die. BUT the verse does not state that, so an implication of that verse must NOT be treated as being 'what the bible' says. We must use the full 'context' (ie. ALL of the Word of God), and never, ever add to or subtract from what is actually there.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing of/by the Word.


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