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53817 Re: The real, and unanswered, question for us all is WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS?
   How long has the cat been sealed in the box? Is there air circulat... 		Zimbler0   6TH POPE   03 Jun 2024
 5:20 AM
53808 Re: The real, .... pass ...
   >> Perhaps mt will want to wade in on this. Nah. When it comes to r... 		monkeytrots   6TH POPE   03 Jun 2024
 3:27 AM
53803 Re: The real, and unanswered, question for us all is WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS?
   ...way too complex for my tiny brain. 		ribit   6TH POPE   03 Jun 2024
 2:49 AM

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Re: The real, and unanswered, question for us all is WHAT IS CONSCIOUSNESS?

By: De_Composed in 6TH POPE
Mon, 03 Jun 24 2:27 AM
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ribit:

Re: “...let us go back to Schrodinger's cat. All sealed up in a box with no way to know if it is alive or dead. Is it neither? Is it both?”There are two theories (interpretations) of quantum mechanics, each providing equivalent explanations of dozens of amazing quantum phenomena ... to the extent to which the phenomena are explained anyway. (Some quantum phenomena remain completely baffling. Quantum electrodynamics, the theory that explains the electromagnetic interaction in quantum terms, for instance, works but only as a result of fudging the math to make it fit our observations of the world. In other words, the math says it can't possibly work - but scientists ignore that because it DOES work incredibly well and, arguably, has provided greater benefits to mankind than any other quantum discovery. Wanna win a Nobel Prize in physics? Get QED's math to support its results.)

Regarding Schrodinger's cat: The Copenhagen Interpretation says that the cat is half-dead, neither alive nor dead, but the act of observing the experiment's outcome locks the cat into one state or the other. Why... and which state? Nobody knows. The Everett interpretation with its many-worlds/multi-universes approach says that the cat is both alive and dead in different universes. When we open the box, we learn which universe _we_ are in. Why should the universe split in two when we initiate the experiment? Again, nobody knows. It is possible that neither interpretation is right and that another interpretation will come along to better resolve the puzzles. But it'll have its work cut out for it. Whatever it is will have to explain ALL that's been learned about the quantum world since Planck, as well or better than the two dominant interpretations. It's a very tall order.

Perhaps mt will want to wade in on this. He's the scientist, after all, and I'm sure he can add great depth and color to what I've just outlined.