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Re: Russia launches one of war's biggest drone attacks on Ukraine

By: Beldin in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (0)
Thu, 01 Aug 24 1:56 AM | 17 view(s)
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Well, Zim ... per this section from the article ... 

Repeated calls for more air defense systems

Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk called the drone barrage targeting Kyiv “one of the most massive attacks by Shahed-131/136” drones, comparing it to the Russian attack on New Year’s Eve in which 90 Shaheds were launched.

“Just like then, today the Ukrainian air defense has withstood and repelled a massive attack by enemy drones,” he said. “Mobile fire groups of all the Ukrainian Defence Forces, tactical aviation of the Air Force and Army Aviation of the Land Forces, anti-aircraft missile units and electronic warfare units of the Air Force were involved in repelling the air attack.”

During another wave of aerial attacks days before the New Year’s Eve holiday, Russia fired an unprecedented number of drones and missiles at targets across Ukraine, killing at least 31 people and injuring more than 150 others, according to Ukrainian officials at the time.

Since then, Ukraine has repeatedly pleaded for allies to provide more air defense systems.

“Ukrainians can fully protect their skies from Russian strikes when they have sufficient supplies,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Wednesday.

“The same level of defense is needed against Russian missiles and the occupier’s combat aircraft. And this can be achieved. We need sufficiently courageous decisions from our partners — enough air defense systems, enough range,” Zelensky added. “And Ukrainians will do everything correctly and precisely.”

The Biden administration announced on Monday a new lethal aid package for Ukraine totaling about $1.7 billion and largely consisting of missiles and ammunition for missile, artillery and air defense systems that the US has previously provided to Ukraine.

... it would appear that Ukraine is using (and wanting more) sophisticated air defense systems obtained from us and other western nations. I don't blame them a bit for wanting to have such systems to protect their nation from these Russian attacks, but it certainly would be nice if you were right ... that they could down a lot of these drones with well-directed machine gun fire. 




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Re: Russia launches one of war's biggest drone attacks on Ukraine
By: Zimbler0 in 6TH POPE
Thu, 01 Aug 24 12:29 AM 		Msg. 56106 of 60008

Ribit > "... sounds expensive."

Beldin > Yes ... in terms of drones launched and not reaching their intended targets ... and in terms of anti-aircraft missiles expended, as well.


I seem to remember reading something about Ukraine using cell phones as 'listening devices' to detect incoming Russian drones - and soldiers with machine guns pre-positioned to attack said drones. If true, and I hope it is, it is possible the Ukrainians are using cheaper machine gun ammo to kill drones rather than very expensive anti-aircraft missiles.

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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmoral/articles/202407300210.aspx

Ukraine developed an air-defense system against Shahed-136 and Geran. This involves thousands of modified cell phones distributed over likely avenues of drone approach. The cellphones sent audio signals of drone engine and propeller noise to powerful signal processors that served as a land version of submarine towed sonar arrays detecting stealthy submarines. This cell phone network allows detection of the general location, vector, altitude and speed of incoming drones, which the Ukrainian equivalent of the RAF’s Battle of Britain sector stations then send to the firing positions of Ukrainian infantry who have been carefully located along those avenues of likely drone approach. These soldiers use their assault rifles and machine-guns to fire on the sound of the approaching Russian drones, which are painted black and nearly impossible to spot at night. Such tactics enable the Ukrainian to destroy nearly 90 percent of the rather noisy Russian Geran and Shaded-136 drones.
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