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When you take on the role of the world’s policeman, don’t be surprised when countries who cannot fight their own wars call “911.” That is exactly what is happening to the United States on two fronts and it is bankrupting our country, depleting the military that should serve our own national interest, and threatening to drag the US into World War III.
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Question 1. "Is it in America's best interests to let Russia own all of Europe?

I don't think so.
Listen to Ron Paul and I come away with the feeling that he would happily surrender all of Europe to Russia in a forlorn hope of achieving 'peace'. Back before WWII got hot and heavy, surrendering Poland did NOT lead to peace. Neither will surrendering Ukraine.

What I find truly saddening, is that had America and the Euroweenies given Ukraine the long range weaponry they needed and a green light to use them, along with the 'nuclear umbrella' promising Russia nuclear devastation if they did use nukes on Ukraine . . . Ukraine could have crippled Russia's economy so badly Russia would have had no choice but to surrender and give ALL of Ukraine back to Ukraine. Instead biden was so terrified of oil prices going up that they deliberately kept Ukraine from properly prosecuting the war and so it dragged on and on killing a LOT more people and for what?

Question 2. "Is it in America's best interests to let islamic terrorists live?"

Unless I misunderstood, at least one of the terrorists whacked by Israel in the current War had been wanted by America for a very very long time. Those Houthi's shooting Iranian made and supplied missiles at shipping trying to get through the Suez Canal . . . does Ron Paul want Iran to 'have the right' to sink other peoples ships?

Iran has sponsored a LOT of attacks upon American troops and has practiced kidnapping for ransom and other diplomatic indignities . . .

And now we have a golden opportunity to assist one of our allies in kicking the ever-loving-crap out of Iran and this fool wants U.S. to allow the terrorist mongering regime to live?

Lastly. The amount spent 'helping' Ukraine and Israel is fairly small when compared the number of dollars stolen, misappropriated, used to buy votes, (and the list goes on and on and on) by the demo-rat party. And I would much rather help Ukraine kick Russian Butt and the Israeli's whack Iranian ayatollahs than spend money on hoaxes and stupid stuff.

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Why Should We Fight Wars for Ukraine and Israel?
By: De_Composed
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Tue, 22 Oct 24 6:21 AM
Msg. 59687 of 60008

October 21, 2024

Why Should We Fight Wars for Ukraine and Israel?

by Ron Paul
RonPaulInstitute.com



When you take on the role of the world’s policeman, don’t be surprised when countries who cannot fight their own wars call “911.” That is exactly what is happening to the United States on two fronts and it is bankrupting our country, depleting the military that should serve our own national interest, and threatening to drag the US into World War III.

Last week, Ukraine’s “president” Vladimir Zelensky publicly presented his “Victory Plan.” It was delusional: immediate NATO Membership for Ukraine, NATO strikes against incoming Russian missiles, and permission to use Western long-range missiles for strikes deep into Russia including Moscow and St. Petersburg.

The real intent was not hard to understand. Ukraine is on the verge of losing its war with Russia and is desperate to draw the United States military into the fight. There were numerous opportunities to avoid this bloody war but at every step the Ukrainian leadership listened to western neocons (like Boris Johnson) and decided to keep fighting Russia down to the last Ukrainian.

But now that they are nearly down to the last Ukrainian, they are calling on us to step in and fight the country with the most nuclear weapons on earth -Russia – in a battle that could not be more unrelated to our actual interests.

Washington’s answer should be simple but firm: “No more weapons, no more money. You’re on your own. Make peace.”

Would the US be mortally wounded if the people in Eastern Ukraine were allowed to secede from Kiev and join Russia? Would anyone except the Russia-obsessed neocons in DC think tanks even notice?

Likewise with Israel. Tel Aviv has, in response to the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack, launched a war to annihilate Palestinians from Gaza, invade and occupy southern Lebanon, degrade the military of Iraq and Syria, and take on Iran. But the Israeli military has nowhere near the capacity to fight so many wars on so many fronts, so it has increasingly demanded US involvement in the conflicts. Already the US has provided some $23 billion in additional military aid to Israel and has employed US military assets in the region to shoot down missiles and provide increased weapons and intelligence.

But it’s still not enough for Israel. To fight Iran, with its significant military capabilities, Israel appears desperate to drag the US military into the battle. The stationing of one or perhaps two THAAD air defense systems, each with 100 US troops to operate them, is part of that effort. These 100-200 US troops are illegally engaged in combat, but what’s worse is that they are being used as a tripwire. US and Israeli leaders understand that they will be considered legitimate targets for any additional Iranian missile attack, but as soon as American troops start getting killed in Israel there will be a massive push for further US involvement. Imagine the mainstream media war propaganda if such a terrible thing happens.

That is no way to use members of the US armed services. It is the opposite of supporting our troops.

Washington’s response to Israel trying to drag us into its war with Iran should be just like with Ukraine: “No more weapons, no more money. You’re on your own. Make peace.” That is what a pro-America foreign policy looks like. Our Founders understood it very well and wrote about it often. It’s called “non-intervention.”

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/why-should-we-fight-wars-for-ukraine-and-israel/


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