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Re: Fmr. Air Traffic Controller: DC Crash Was 100% Controller’s Fault 

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The Army Black Hawk helicopter was supposed to be flying in a different location and lower to the ground as it traversed the busy Reagan National airspace, the people said.

Before a helicopter can enter any busy commercial airspace, it must get the approval of an air traffic controller. In this case, the pilot of the helicopter asked the air traffic controller for permission to use a specific, predetermined route that lets helicopters fly no higher than 200 feet and that hugs the bank on the east side of the Potomac River, a location that would have let it avoid the American Airlines plane.

The requested route — referred to as Route 4 at Reagan — followed a specifically carved out path already known to the air traffic controller and helicopter pilot. The helicopter pilot confirmed visual sight of the American Airlines plane, and the air traffic controller instructed the helicopter pilot to follow the route and go behind the plane.

But the helicopter pilot did not follow the intended route, the people briefed on the matter said.

Rather, the helicopter was above 300 feet, not below 200 feet, and was at least a half-mile off the approved route when it collided with the jet. 

A senior Army official urged caution in making any assessments until the helicopter’s black box could be recovered and analyzed, along with other forensic data.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing inquiry, said the Black Hawk’s pilots had flown this route before, and were well aware of the altitude restrictions and tight air corridor they were permitted to fly in near the airport.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29/us/plane-crash-washington-dc#black-hawk-helicopter-plane-crash


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Re: Fmr. Air Traffic Controller: DC Crash Was 100% Controller’s Fault
By: CTJ
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Sat, 01 Feb 25 11:19 PM
Msg. 03346 of 03367

The controller mentioned the plane to the helicopter three times. The 1st time was when the plane was about 4 miles south of the runway. Plane was just passing over the Wilson Bridge. It would have been better if controller had told the copter pilot where to look for the plane, ie “at your 2 o’clock”. Just before the collusion the controller told the helicopter to pass behind the plane. Looks like the helicopter pilot was looking at the wrong plane.

Also, Looking at the chart it looks like the helicopter was about a 1/2 mile outside of the flight route it was suppose to be in. And was encroaching into the landing path of the plane. As well as being 175 feet above its ceiling restriction. I think we’ll be hearing more about the helicopter pilot being outside of the route they were cleared for.

Controller 10%
Helo pilot 90%
Plane pilot 0%



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