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Re: All you need to know about atmospheric physics

By: Zimbler0 in GRITZ | Recommend this post (0)
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A cloudless day is much warmer than a cloudy day for the same time of year.
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Unless one is up in the arctic. In which case the clouds tend to trap what heat there is. At least that is my un-professional opinion from the glorious 18 months I spent up there once upon a time.

Otherwise I agree with you.

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Re: All you need to know about atmospheric physics
By: monkeytrots
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Fri, 14 Feb 25 5:21 AM
Msg. 03961 of 04566

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>>> Maybe this statement does not rock everyone’s boat, but for me it seems astounding that a decrease in low cloud cover of only a few percent could largely compensate for the impact from a doubling of CO2.

100% assbackwards ... decreasing the low cloud cover HEATS up the earth, exactly the same direction 'of effect' of increasing CO2 levels - although the cloud cover DOES have much larger effects for much smaller changes that CO2. HOWEVER THE MECHANISM OF HEATING EFFECT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Lower cloud cover REFLECTS incoming solar radiation (sunshine) ... so lower the cloud cover, earth gets hotter. A cloudless day is much warmer than a cloudy day for the same time of year. CO2 absorbs OUTGOING radiation (earthshine if you will ie. causes heating/retaining heat) but allows almost 100% OF INCOMING RADIATION (sunshine) to pass unimpeded through.

The original statements (not the authors confused understanding)

Greenhouse gases also affect heat transfer, but much less than clouds. Absolutely INCORRECT/FALSE statement.

*water vapor [humidity, not clouds]" IS a 'greenhouse gas) and has a 9 to 10 times GREATER greenhouse effect than all the other 'gases' combined. Greenhouse effect and 'heat transfer' ARE NOT synonymous terms and are NOT interchangeable.

Correct statements:
For example, ‘instantaneously doubling’ CO2 concentrations, a 100% increase, only decreases radiation to space by about 1%. To increase solar heating of the Earth by a few percent, low cloud cover only needs to decrease by a few percent. (both sentences correct/TRUE)

The author got confused with increasing/decreasing and incoming versus outgoing, absorption vs reflection; due to awkward but correct wording of the original statements that he THOUGHT he understood - but obviously did not.

If you weren't corn=fused afore, perhaps you are now. *w*


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