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Re: The Democrats' fork in the road: They've got only 1 sane choice 

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I don't think this is a very insightful article; it seems to presume that the policies advocated by Obama, because they were Obama's personal beliefs and personal preferences, were adopted across the party BECAUSE of Obama. I don't think that is true, at all.

If you look at the Republican party, you see an organic process: Trump took it over by out-witting and out-fighting and out-rallying and out-campaigning from the grass roots up. TO THIS DAY there are elements within the party which cannot be relied upon, because they have rather profoundly different core beliefs/unifying principles: (1) MANY Neo-Cons remain: they mostly only want war, with other people (never them) doing the risky stuff: killing and dying. (2) There is also the "Tea Party" group, which got started arguably with Ron Paul's run for President in 2008. (3) And then there is the "Liberal" wing of the party which includes the female senators from Maine and Alaska, who regularly go off on their own track.

Anyway, to this day, the Republican party has strong elements of independence. That is what an organic party evolution looks like. It gets cobbled together and held together with a lot of work.

The Democrat party, on the other hand, looks like something which was simply PURCHASED -- in totality --and given marching orders, again in totality. It is like a totalitarian "dictatorship" or a *strongly* controlled corporation.

I think you need to question WHO or WHAT did the purchasing and, specifically, why/where such a seemingly "stupid" and "psychotic" and absolutely hateful and destructive set of marching orders was imprinted on, effectively, EVERY politician in the party (yes, there were a few relative independents: the former senator from West Virginia and the former senator from Arizona). But the independents RESIGNED. Now it is just "the Borg".

I think there is a story there, if you dig deep enough, which is scarcely being explored, just yet.

The Obama-Clinton-Biden nexus has one thing in common which *I* think, but don't know for absolute sure, would tie things together.

What is that? Well, all three were obviously (at least obvious to me;) PURCHASED, lock-stock-and-barrel, by a FOREIGN power ...and I am going to go out on a limb and say/speculate: the SAME foreign power. And, as should be evident to everyone on this board, and in this country, by now: it AIN'T Russia.

Dig hard into the standard questions behind any hard-to-solve murder-mystery: Means. Motive. And Opportunity.

I think the answer is rather obvious. But, then, I've been thinking hard about this since at least 2000, and SPECULATING about a bunch of other odd things from decades before that. I mean, the United States was RIPE for the picking. It was just a matter of time before some Major Power made the move in earnest. At least that is how it has long seemed to me.

To start with, the two political parties were AVAILABLE for PURCHASE dating back to at least the 1970s. That has always bothered me...that their highest value was if they were both purchased by the SAME controlling entity. And I think they were for a time...until Trump upset the roll-up and dislodged the NeoCon traitors and hangers-on.


I have come to realize that men are not born to be free. Liberty is a need felt by a small class of people whom nature has endowed with nobler minds than the mass of men. -Napoleon


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The Democrats' fork in the road: They've got only 1 sane choice
By: De_Composed in GRITZ
Sun, 09 Mar 25 1:23 PM 		Msg. 05204 of 05292

March 8, 2025

The Democrats' fork in the road: They've got only 1 sane choice

'There are far more Hostin-like voices of escalation than there are Carville-like voices of sobriety'

by Josh Hammer
wnd.com

Yogi Berra, the mid-century New York Yankees Hall of Fame catcher known for his pithy and often humorous life observations, once famously quipped: “When you come to a fork in the road, take it.” It was sound advice, perhaps, for a traveler on the go and in search of a quick meal. But the modern Democratic Party, rudderless and confused and reeling from a pitiful collective performance during Tuesday evening’s presidential joint address to Congress, now confronts a fork in the road that’s no joke.

On the one hand lies the path of least resistance: doubling down on the status quo – the progressive culture-warring, woke/identity politics-driven agenda that has dominated the party ever since Barack Obama upset Hillary Clinton in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary. On the other hand lies the more difficult but ultimately more promising path: repudiation of that post-2008 legacy and a conscientious return to a politics of the prudential center. Which path Democrats choose from here will go a long way toward determining their relevance as a national political party for the foreseeable future.

Obama’s shocking upset over the madam-president-in-waiting was an inflection point for the institutional trajectory of the Democratic Party. Voters rejected the cultural centrism that was a Clinton-era hallmark in favor of the “hope” and “change” promised by Obama’s “coalition of the ascendant.” Initially, perhaps, that may have looked like a smart bet: Obama trounced John McCain in the 2008 presidential general election. But the one-time “coalition of the ascendant” transmogrified into an identitarian and deeply off-putting “coalition of aggrieved interests.” Culturally militant wokeism eventually reached its pernicious apex during Joe Biden’s presidency – which saw the first explicitly “DEI” Supreme Court justice selection (Ketanji Brown Jackson, after Biden vowed to nominate a black woman) and a DEI vice presidential running mate (Kamala Harris, after Biden was pressured to choose a black woman).

This version of the Democratic Party, which featured the progenitor of wokeism, Obama himself, as the leading presidential campaign trail surrogate for Harris, was thoroughly rejected in November by the American people. It turns out that voters didn’t really know what they were signing up for when they embarked on an extended political journey of “hope” and “change.” They weren’t interested – and aren’t interested – in legitimizing the juvenile genital mutilation and chemical castration that has been euphemistically sold as “gender-affirming care.” They weren’t interested – and aren’t interested – in assenting to wide-scale importation and resettlement of foreigners whose cultures and customs are antithetical to our own.

Some leading Democrats do finally seem to get the memo. Former Clinton strategist James Carville, for instance, has called for Democrats to distance themselves from the excesses of woke civilizational arson. But many others disagree. There is no indication at all, for instance, that the ladies of “The View” have done any introspection: Shortly after November’s electoral shellacking, cohost Sunny Hostin attributed Harris’ loss to Donald Trump to “racism” and “misogyny.” Surveying the left-of-center punditocracy scene, it often seems that there re far more Hostin-like voices of escalation than there are Carville-like voices of sobriety.

Democratic elected officials are also deeply split. California Gov. Gavin Newsom made headlines this week by repudiating certain facets of wokeism during an interview with Charlie Kirk, but congressional Democrats attending Trump’s joint address to Congress on Tuesday evening took the opposite approach, beyond refusing to applaud: Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, obnoxiously heckled the president and was kicked out of the House chamber within the speech’s first few minutes – deservedly so. In general, their conduct was positively buffoonish.

In what world do Democrats think they do themselves any political favors with these antics and, more important, these underlying substantive political stances? One guest of Trump on Tuesday, Payton McNabb, is a female former high school athlete who was grievously injured during a match against a team with a biological male player. On this issue, recent CNN polling indicates that roughly four-fifths of Americans oppose biological male participation in female athletic competitions. Even Newsom, in his podcast episode with Kirk, called the practice “deeply unfair.”

Newsom seems to be reading the tea leaves – unlike congressional Democrats. There is a similar divide on the issue of illegal immigration and so-called “sanctuary” jurisdictions; consider, for instance, New York City Mayor Eric Adams’ high-profile flip on the issue, which has brought him into line with Trump.

To make matters even worse, a majority of Democratic elites too often now come across not merely as schoolmarmish and excessively self-righteous – but as heartless and lacking compassion, to boot. Party leaders undoubtedly think of themselves as “compassionate,” especially for those perceived as being “oppressed” (on the neo-Marxist intersectional scale of victimization status). But where is the compassion for McNabb? Where is the compassion for the family of Laken Riley, the Athens, Georgia, student whose life was tragically cut short by an illegal alien who never should have been on our soil?

In order to recover their standing and regain lasting relevance as an electorally feasible national political party, Democrats are going to have to repudiate the entirety of their post-2008/post-Obama cultural legacy. That is the simple truth. The American people want a stable pocketbook, a stable border and a stable world stage. They’re not interested in the Obama-Biden-Harris Democratic Party’s idiosyncratic conception of waging a culture war.

Are Democrats up to such a challenge? The intraparty civil war is on – but I certainly have my doubts. Unless and until they do repudiate their cultural militance, however, Democrats will continue to flounder about in irrelevance. Perhaps they’ll need to get their clocks cleaned at the ballot box a few more times. That wouldn’t be the worst thing.

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