...the coffee maker I am trying to put in is one of those which will also sit on the counter. Thing is that mz ribit can get another twenty or thirty pounds of clutter on the counter if the coffee pot is mounted in mid air.
...Im gonna give this installation project another couple of days and then Im gonna go back to buying store bought coffee already made. I will have to get it at one of the places where ya makes it ya self. The gals what work at the Dunking Donuts don't know whether "Cream Only" means "Heavy Sugar" or "Extra Heavy Sugar".

Liberals are like a "Slinky". Totally useless, but somehow ya can't help but smile when you see one tumble down a flight of stairs!