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Re: Is Trump being Manipulated and Out Played on Ukraine? My thoughts. 

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Fiz > So it doesn't really end the cost to the US, at all, but, rather, commits us to continue to participate, at real opportunity and real cost, for many years to come. It's not like Ukraine is paying for any of the munitions (except in lives, of course).


I suspect Russia is closer to 'disaster' than anybody wants to recognize.

>> "Russia has more manpower than Ukraine" . . .

If that is so, then why is Russia importing N. Korean soldiers?

>> "Russia will soon have three times as much artillery ammunition as America and Europe combined!"

If so, then why is Russia buying N. Korean artillery ammo?

Remember, biden had no intention of 'winning' any War. biden and friends in Afghanistan - Who abandons the finest military airfield in Afghanistan BEFORE evacuating everybody we needed to evacuate?

biden and friends in Israel / Hamas . . . biden kept trying to throw 'life lines' to the hamas terrorists. Demanding cease fires and cutting ammunition supplies to Israel.

I could go on.

Trump, I believe he plays to win. In stead of playing patty-cake with the Houthis (like biden) Trump has ordered the guys to kill them where we find them. Where biden could not close our southern border (without a multi-trillion bill from congress . .) Trump shut it down his first month in office.

Ukraine. Trump tried playing 'Lets Make a Deal' . . . and, predictably, russia cheated on the 'cease fire' (possibly Ukraine did also) . . . Back after the 2014 invasion there was supposedly a 'peace agreement' . . . which Russia kept cheating on.

So . . . can't get a 'peace deal' . . Then give Ukraine what it actually needs to bring Russia to its knees. Ukraine whacks the Russian oil industry (which biden refused to 'allow' Ukraine to do) reducing Russia's ability to move troops and ammo . . . reduces the amount of money russia has to buy weapons and ammo and N. Korean soldiers . . . And there becomes a fair chance the Russian economy will collapse.

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Re: Is Trump being Manipulated and Out Played on Ukraine? My thoughts.
By: Fiz
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Sat, 05 Apr 25 9:41 PM
Msg. 06360 of 06878

Zim: "Yes, we are facing an 'existential crisis' . . . But Ukraine is not it. Ukraine is more like a boil on our butt. Russia is not the big bad boogie man it used to be . . . But the Euroweenies need to recognize their peril and make Ukraine their problem.

If I was Trump . . . What I would do is give Ukraine more long range weaponry and tell them to hammer more of Russia's oil industry and their railroads. Then I'd tell Putin that he can either make a sweet deal for peace with Ukraine or I'll give them MORE long range weaponry so they can do to Russia what Russia has been doing to Ukraine.

After that I'd advise Putin that he needs to start thinking about the possibility of China..."

That is another way to go! But it starts with us GIVING Ukraine, again. And - unfortunately - then we need to GIVE more. And then we need to GIVE more, again, to keep those weapons functioning with munitions.

So it doesn't really end the cost to the US, at all, but, rather, commits us to continue to participate, at real opportunity and real cost, for many years to come. It's not like Ukraine is paying for any of the munitions (except in lives, of course).

In addition, during that whole extended period of US involvement there is a very real risk that something could get really out of hand (or *arranged* to get out of hand) which could force NATO -- which means the US -- to step in. All it takes is something going slightly wonky in Poland, Finland, or any other NATO country. Plenty of people would like that to happen, indeed, so it almost certainly would happen, eventually.

Why run that risk? How does it benefit the US?


On the other hand -- as Trump has been hinting -- the US actually developing a "trust but verify" TRADING and diplomatic relationship with Russia can (a) Aid the US's economic strength (b) help us reach Autarky (c) greatly disturb China (d) promote world peace.

And it can do all that constructively, to the benefit of the US.


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