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Re: Fiz - What happens when the last Bitcoin *or any crypto* is mined ? NOT RHETORICAL.

By: Fiz in GRITZ | Recommend this post (0)
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Lots of different ways to slice this, but China is not in the top five of countries with bitcoin adoption. Nor in any other serious metric does it control BitCoin. Maybe it is mining the last dregs which are worth mining; but that doesn't make it a bitcoin gorilla, I don't think. I think you need some more research:

http://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/bitcoin-ownership-by-country


Tech/Business > Bitcoin Ownership by Country 2025
Bitcoin Ownership by Country 2025
% of Pop. Who Own Cryptocurrency 2023


United Arab Emirates

27.18%
Vietnam Flag
Vietnam

20.87%
United States Flag
United States

15.4%
Philippines Flag
Philippines

13.72%
Iran Flag
Iran

13.24%


United Arab Emirates 2.9M 27.18%
Vietnam 20.9M 20.87%
United States 52.9M 15.4%
Philippines 15.8M 13.72%
Iran 12M 13.24%
Saudi Arabia 4.2M 12.63%
Brazil 26M 12.29%
Singapore 664.6K 11.48%
Venezuela 3M 10.5%
Ukraine 3.9M 10.3%
El Salvador 636.5K 10.09%
Argentina 4.5M 9.78%
Thailand 6.9M 9.63%
South Africa 6M 9.56%
Canada 2.7M 6.91%
India 93.5M 6.5%
Mexico 8.4M 6.48%
Pakistan 15.9M 6.42%
Russia 8.7M 6.02%
Nigeria 13.3M 5.82%
Germany 4.8M 5.69%
United Kingdom 3.9M 5.66%
Turkey 4.8M 5.53%
Morocco 1.9M 5.1%
Kenya 2.8M 5.05%
Colombia 2.6M 4.94%
Nepal 1.4M 4.75%
France 3.1M 4.6%
Indonesia 12.2M 4.34%
China 59.1M 4.16%
Japan 5.1M 4.1%
South Korea 2.1M 4.1%
Ecuador 695.1K 3.87%
Cambodia 582.2K 3.34%
Belarus 285.3K 3.13%
Poland 1.2M 3.1%
Spain 1.5M 3.03%
Egypt 3.4M 2.99%
Malaysia 1M 2.88%
Australia 726.2K 2.75%
Netherlands 489.2K 2.7%
Portugal 276.2K 2.65%
Peru 881.8K 2.61%
Bangladesh 4.3M 2.52%
Italy 1.5M 2.47%
Tanzania 1.6M 2.43%
Taiwan 567.6K 2.43%
Hong Kong 181K 2.43%
Moldova 72.5K 2.36%
Georgia 89.1K 2.34%
Palestine 126.3K 2.33%
Lebanon 132.8K 2.3%
Honduras 241.7K 2.27%
Ghana 759.2K 2.25%
Algeria 1M 2.22%
Bulgaria 150.3K 2.21%
Dominican Republic 243.6K 2.15%
Chile 421.8K 2.15%
Tunisia 257.6K 2.11%
Bolivia 252.8K 2.06%
Jamaica 58K 2.04%
Switzerland 177.5K 2%
Serbia 131.8K 1.95%
Somalia 351.7K 1.92%
Mozambique 631K 1.88%
Iraq 845.1K 1.88%
Czech Republic 201K 1.86%
Seychelles 2.3K 1.83%
Costa Rica 92.6K 1.81%
Sri Lanka 416.3K 1.81%
Belize 7.4K 1.79%
Ethiopia 2.3M 1.76%
Romania 333.8K 1.75%
Ivory Coast 537.8K 1.73%
Cameroon 481.9K 1.7%
Kazakhstan 342K 1.68%
DR Congo 1.8M 1.66%
Bahamas 6.6K 1.66%
Armenia 48.3K 1.64%
Kyrgyzstan 115.6K 1.63%
Sweden 170.1K 1.61%
Jordan 178.9K 1.56%
Slovakia 85.5K 1.55%
Greece 157.8K 1.54%
Estonia 20.6K 1.5%
Rwanda 208.2K 1.49%
Myanmar 806.4K 1.49%
Zimbabwe 238.1K 1.46%
Guatemala 263.4K 1.45%
Mongolia 49.6K 1.44%
Belgium 168.6K 1.44%
Uzbekistan 512.3K 1.44%
Hungary 134.6K 1.39%
Finland 77.3K 1.38%
Laos 105.6K 1.38%
North Macedonia 25.1K 1.37%
Barbados 3.9K 1.37%
Uruguay 46.3K 1.37%
Albania 38.1K 1.36%
Panama 59.5K 1.33%
Austria 120.2K 1.32%
New Zealand 67.3K 1.3%
Croatia 50.5K 1.3%
Nicaragua 87.1K 1.28%
Senegal 230.3K 1.27%
Benin 178.5K 1.26%
Latvia 23.8K 1.26%
Mauritius 16.1K 1.26%
Paraguay 85.1K 1.24%
Mali 293.8K 1.24%
Israel 113.8K 1.23%
Togo 113.3K 1.22%
Uganda 578.3K 1.19%
Denmark 70.6K 1.19%
Azerbaijan 121.4K 1.18%
Lithuania 33.5K 1.17%
Slovenia 24.5K 1.16%
Norway 63.7K 1.15%
Cyprus 15.4K 1.15%
Madagascar 356.6K 1.14%
Montenegro 7.2K 1.14%
Bosnia and Herzegovina 36.2K 1.14%
Saint Lucia 2K 1.12%
Botswana 27.5K 1.11%
Trinidad and Tobago 16.5K 1.1%
Ireland 56.2K 1.08%
Zambia 220.5K 1.06%
Angola 381.7K 1.04%
Malta 5.5K 1.03%
Maldives 5.4K 1.02%
Fiji 9.1K 0.98%
Suriname 6.2K 0.98%
Luxembourg 6.5K 0.97%
Burkina Faso 223.2K 0.97%
Haiti 111.4K 0.96%
Republic of the Congo 58K 0.94%
Iceland 3.6K 0.94%
Tajikistan 95.9K 0.92%
Afghanistan 381.1K 0.92%
Namibia 27K 0.91%
Gabon 22.5K 0.91%
Malawi 187.8K 0.89%
Guyana 7.1K 0.86%
Bahrain 13.5K 0.86%
Brunei 3.9K 0.85%
Qatar 24.6K 0.82%
Sudan 0%
Yemen 0%
Niger 0%
North Korea 0%
Syria 0%
Chad 0%
Guinea 0%
Burundi 0%
South Sudan 0%
Cuba 0%
Papua New Guinea 0%
Sierra Leone 0%
Turkmenistan 0%
Libya 0%
Liberia 0%
Central African Republic 0%
Oman 0%
Mauritania 0%
Kuwait 0%
Eritrea 0%
Puerto Rico 0%
Gambia 0%
Lesotho 0%
Guinea-Bissau 0%
Equatorial Guinea 0%
Timor-Leste 0%
Eswatini 0%
Djibouti 0%
Comoros 0%
Reunion 0%
Solomon Islands 0%
Bhutan 0%
Macau 0%
Western Sahara 0%
Cape Verde 0%
Guadeloupe 0%
Martinique 0%
Mayotte 0%
Vanuatu 0%
French Guiana 0%
New Caledonia 0%
French Polynesia 0%
Sao Tome and Principe 0%
Samoa 0%
Curacao 0%
Guam 0%
Kiribati 0%
Grenada 0%
Micronesia 0%
Aruba 0%
Jersey 0%
Tonga 0%
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 0%
Antigua and Barbuda 0%
United States Virgin Islands 0%
Isle of Man 0%
Andorra 0%
Cayman Islands 0%
Dominica 0%
Bermuda 0%
Guernsey 0%
Faroe Islands 0%
Greenland 0%
Saint Kitts and Nevis 0%
Turks and Caicos Islands 0%
American Samoa 0%
Sint Maarten 0%
Northern Mariana Islands 0%
Liechtenstein 0%
Gibraltar 0%
British Virgin Islands 0%
Monaco 0%
Marshall Islands 0%
San Marino 0%
Saint Martin 0%
Palau 0%
Anguilla 0%
Cook Islands 0%
Nauru 0%
Saint Barthelemy 0%
Wallis and Futuna 0%
Tuvalu 0%
Saint Pierre and Miquelon 0%
Montserrat 0%
Falkland Islands 0%
Tokelau 0%
Niue 0%
Vatican City 0%
Total 446.3M 0%


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Re: Fiz - What happens when the last Bitcoin *or any crypto* is mined ? NOT RHETORICAL.
By: Fiz
in GRITZ
Fri, 18 Apr 25 10:39 PM
Msg. 06953 of 07123

Monkeytrots: " Bitcoin mining is already a NEGATIVE ROI - and the Chinese completely control 'the mining'.

WITHOUT MINING - the 'blockchain' (ie. the distributed ledger) ceases to function - and the 'crypto' is defacto worthless, unusable, untradeable, unconvertable, unredeemable - not to anything - not to another crypto, not into any country's currency."

I'd like you to make the logical/factual CASE for ANY of those assertions. Maybe you can. Maybe you can't. I dare you to try, in the interest of everyones' edification and thinking.

I am not the world's expert on "bitcoin". But I remember when I could have picked up the "fad" for $8 each; and I was swayed by approximiately your current arguments to DO NOTHING.

Getting to the end of the "mining" phase in BitCoin doesn't appear -- in reality nor in theory -- to be any real problem. It is comparable to having only a limited amount of gold in the world, or oil, market scarcity just keeps driving scarcity, AND VALUATION, higher.

It is pretty well established, in general, who -- in general -- are The Whales in Bitcoin. And it isn't the Chinese, not by a long shot. It is the original people who got in at $8 each or less. And, increasingly, other speculators coming in with actual green-paper-trash (which is heading to zero at breakneck speed, AND 100% ASSURANCE, if you havne't noticed). Those ladder used toilet-paper-holders, especially those on government-delimited pensions, who are the fools -- I among them.

And bitcoin IS divisible. Infinitely divisible, I believe? So that is no problem.

Now, the function of bitcoin has always been, to my mind, its weak link. But it does have a function: it permits near instant transmission of huge wealth transfers around the world with cost benefits, speed beneifts, and freedom from Sanctions and Tracking which makes "SWIFT" look like the corrupt, dead-dog it is.

In other words: There IS a use-case of great value for something like BitCoin...put aside your programming and preconceptions and recognize that. There is a technology. There is a use case. And there IS a positive valuation for ANY technology which can do something better than the competition. That last point is just LOGIC; even as there is still lots of speculation of what the valuation should be (as there is with NVIDIA stock, or any other stock).

What is more questionable is whether something like Bitcoin is actually "money". I would say it currently is not really money. It passes Gresham's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law). But it fails in general adoption for ordinary transactions.

Look. I am not a bitcoin defender. Nor adopter. but I still think something like my U$B could substantially collapse the utility of BitCoin, and potentially save The_Biggest_Debtor_Nation_In_The_History_Of_The_World. almost overnight.

But at somepoint it behooves us to read our Twelve Steps again and stop lying and conniving ourselves. Paper dollars are trash and I have far LESS intrinsic basis than the much maligned Bitcoin. Yeah Bitcoin is SCARY to us chickens. And we weren't so clever as we thought. But the headman IS coming with his ax real soon now, and we might want to reassess how much we are willing to lose by sticking with our FEARS and ossified clucking.

P.S. The term "Conservative", like "Liberal, is badly polluted. Liberal now means "hates liberty". Conservatives ought to opt out for Less Government and maybe Libertarian and more common sense. Just sayin'.


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