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Re: Fiz - What happens when the last Bitcoin *or any crypto* is mined ? NOT RHETORICAL.

By: monkeytrots in GRITZ | Recommend this post (0)
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And for that information and research, how many dollars are you willing to part with ? If you doubt it so much, why don't you post your basis for disagreeing, or prove that I am incorrect ?

Fair is fair, fiz.

What is the current cost of creating a single bitcoin ?

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The cost of mining a single Bitcoin varies widely depending on factors like electricity prices, mining hardware efficiency, and network difficulty. As of recent data, the average global cost to mine one Bitcoin is estimated to be around $49,500 to $78,000.

United States: Mining costs are high due to relatively expensive electricity. Estimates suggest a cost of around $76,000 to $89,000 per Bitcoin, with some miners facing losses at current prices (around $85,000–$96,000).

Profitable regions: Countries like Iran ($1,324 per Bitcoin) and Kuwait ($1,394) have much lower costs due to cheap electricity, making mining highly profitable.

High-cost regions: In countries like Ireland ($321,112) or Venezuela ($246,530), mining is unprofitable due to exorbitant energy costs.

Energy consumption: Mining one Bitcoin consumes about 6,400,000 kWh, equivalent to powering 61 U.S. homes for a year.

Costs are influenced by the Bitcoin halving in April 2024, which reduced the block reward to 3.125 BTC, effectively doubling production costs for many miners. Hardware efficiency (e.g., Antminer S19 XP) and access to low-cost energy are critical for profitability. Posts on X and web sources indicate costs could rise further with increasing network difficulty and energy prices. Always consider local electricity rates and hardware setup for precise estimates.




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Re: Fiz - What happens when the last Bitcoin *or any crypto* is mined ? NOT RHETORICAL.
By: Fiz
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Fri, 18 Apr 25 10:39 PM
Msg. 06953 of 07123

Monkeytrots: " Bitcoin mining is already a NEGATIVE ROI - and the Chinese completely control 'the mining'.

WITHOUT MINING - the 'blockchain' (ie. the distributed ledger) ceases to function - and the 'crypto' is defacto worthless, unusable, untradeable, unconvertable, unredeemable - not to anything - not to another crypto, not into any country's currency."

I'd like you to make the logical/factual CASE for ANY of those assertions. Maybe you can. Maybe you can't. I dare you to try, in the interest of everyones' edification and thinking.

I am not the world's expert on "bitcoin". But I remember when I could have picked up the "fad" for $8 each; and I was swayed by approximiately your current arguments to DO NOTHING.

Getting to the end of the "mining" phase in BitCoin doesn't appear -- in reality nor in theory -- to be any real problem. It is comparable to having only a limited amount of gold in the world, or oil, market scarcity just keeps driving scarcity, AND VALUATION, higher.

It is pretty well established, in general, who -- in general -- are The Whales in Bitcoin. And it isn't the Chinese, not by a long shot. It is the original people who got in at $8 each or less. And, increasingly, other speculators coming in with actual green-paper-trash (which is heading to zero at breakneck speed, AND 100% ASSURANCE, if you havne't noticed). Those ladder used toilet-paper-holders, especially those on government-delimited pensions, who are the fools -- I among them.

And bitcoin IS divisible. Infinitely divisible, I believe? So that is no problem.

Now, the function of bitcoin has always been, to my mind, its weak link. But it does have a function: it permits near instant transmission of huge wealth transfers around the world with cost benefits, speed beneifts, and freedom from Sanctions and Tracking which makes "SWIFT" look like the corrupt, dead-dog it is.

In other words: There IS a use-case of great value for something like BitCoin...put aside your programming and preconceptions and recognize that. There is a technology. There is a use case. And there IS a positive valuation for ANY technology which can do something better than the competition. That last point is just LOGIC; even as there is still lots of speculation of what the valuation should be (as there is with NVIDIA stock, or any other stock).

What is more questionable is whether something like Bitcoin is actually "money". I would say it currently is not really money. It passes Gresham's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law). But it fails in general adoption for ordinary transactions.

Look. I am not a bitcoin defender. Nor adopter. but I still think something like my U$B could substantially collapse the utility of BitCoin, and potentially save The_Biggest_Debtor_Nation_In_The_History_Of_The_World. almost overnight.

But at somepoint it behooves us to read our Twelve Steps again and stop lying and conniving ourselves. Paper dollars are trash and I have far LESS intrinsic basis than the much maligned Bitcoin. Yeah Bitcoin is SCARY to us chickens. And we weren't so clever as we thought. But the headman IS coming with his ax real soon now, and we might want to reassess how much we are willing to lose by sticking with our FEARS and ossified clucking.

P.S. The term "Conservative", like "Liberal, is badly polluted. Liberal now means "hates liberty". Conservatives ought to opt out for Less Government and maybe Libertarian and more common sense. Just sayin'.


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