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By: monkeytrots in GRITZ | Recommend this post (1)
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Tens of thousands of years as being used as 'medium of exchange' (ie. the base definition of 'money') and a store of value - are against you on 'gold' actually having intrinsic value.

adjective
Of or relating to the essential nature of a thing; inherent.
Situated within or belonging solely to the organ or body part on which it acts. Used of certain nerves and muscles.
Inward; internal; hence, true; genuine; real; essential; inherent; not merely apparent or accidental; -- opposed to extrinsic.
"the intrinsic value of gold or silver; the intrinsic merit of an action; the intrinsic worth or goodness of a person."

Contrary to your assertion, gold has a LOT of 'commercial/industrial' applications, in addition to it's value and ease of use in creating objects of art. I encourage you to research that if you are of a mind to do so. One can also include lead, antimony, palladium, tin, platinum and just about any other 'rare/semi-rare' mineral in the list of 'monies' with INTRINSIC value.

Tell the Saudi's that 'oil is not 'money'' - they use it as a medium of exchange, recognized world wide, every single second of every single day. Is it 'convenient' to be used as a 'currency' -NO, yet it IS used every single day as a fungible alternative to 'hard currency'.

There is no such thing as a 'crypto coin' - that is a marketing term. There are 'ledgers' where debits and credits are recorded - that is called the blockchain. A positive entry in that ledger has been euphemistically termed a 'coin'. It isn't even some nebulous nor unique string of ones and zeros - supposedly 'securely encrypted'; - it is a straight, plain forward digital number entered into an account in a ledger that everyone can see.

And just in the fwiw department - I do own crypto, and own shares in a 'crypto' ledger keeping 'ie. mining' operation. That is ALL that a 'crypto' so-called operation is - plain and simple.

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Re: Panama City Approves Bitcoin and Crypto Payments for Taxes, Fees, and Permits
By: Fiz
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Fri, 18 Apr 25 10:57 PM
Msg. 06958 of 07141

Monkeytrots,

I appreciate your point -- but it is questionable, at best. *NO* currency has "instinsic" value, that I know of. You might make a case for silver, or copper, since it can have utility. But gold has little to no actual utility: it has great rarity, however. And so does bitcoin.

Now oil has great utiility, but few seriously consider it as tradeable store of value: i.e., money.

1. Fungibility

Fungibility is the unique property of fiat money itself. It refers to a unit of currency’s ability to be exchanged for an equal amount of another unit of currency. It allows money to be divided and transferred without losing value.
2. Durability

Durability is another crucial property of money. This refers to the ability of money to survive through time and various forms of abuse or wear and tear without losing value. Coins, paper, and digital money must stay the same to keep their weight. That way, they will be worth the same amount over time.

This ensures that people can trust that the currency they pay to have today will still be valuable tomorrow. Durable money doesn’t require frequent replacement or repair, making it more cost-effective and easier to track.
3. Divisibility

Divisibility is an essential feature of money, as it allows us to divide our currency into smaller units to facilitates transactions more efficiently. By splitting a single unit of commodity money into smaller parts, we can buy goods and services that aren’t worth the team’s total value. This makes it easier to buy things without needing a lot of money.
4. Portability

Portability is a necessary feature for money to function correctly. Money must be easily transported and stored for people to use in other transactions. Physical money must be transported from place to place, while digital currencies can be sent anywhere with an internet connection. The portability of funds allows us to transfer wealth quickly and easily without worrying about the distance between us.
How easy is it to transport and store money?

The portability of money makes it easy to transport and store. We use cash by carrying it in wallets or purses. Digital money is stored in an account, digital wallet, or safe place. Money’s portability also helps facilitate global trade, as money can be sent to distant locations in seconds.
5. Acceptability

Acceptability is a significant property of money, as it refers to how widely accepted each form of currency is. Different countries and cultures may value various forms of money, so it’s essential that the cash you hold can be easily converted into something that is widely accepted. This method will help ensure your money maintains its value, even in a different country.
6. Limited supply

A limited currency supply in circulation is also an essential property of money. There is a limited amount of money in the world, so people must want more money supply than there is to keep its value. When more people need or use money, the amount of money available decreases. This can make prices go up. We need to take care of our money and use it carefully. Having a certain amount of money also helps us keep it valuable.
7. Uniformity

Uniformity is another property of money, and it refers to how all coins and bills look alike so that they are easily recognized as legal tender. This helps to simplify and facilitate transactions and makes it easier for merchants to accept money, for example, as they can tell quickly if a bill or coin is legitimate.

Uniformity also prevents counterfeiting, ensuring that all bills and coins look the same and are easily identifiable. Uniformity helps people trust in their currency by showing that it’s recognized and accepted by their government.

I've been debating and contemplating the definition and function of "money" since the early 2000s, at least. And I've read pretty widely Austrian Economics books and arguments.

At the end of the day, ability to use it on the street , for ordinary needs, is probably the #1 characteristic. And fiat money -- truely used toilet paper -- has served remarkably well as money for a long time. Lots of weird things have served as money for an unreasonably long period of time. "Faith" seems to be the #1 attribute with #2 Governemnt FORCE being a runner up.


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