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Re: Trump vs. Zelinsky, Round 2. 

By: Zimbler0 in GRITZ | Recommend this post (1)
Thu, 24 Apr 25 5:33 AM | 9 view(s)
Boardmark this board | Grits Breakfast of Champeens! 		Msg. 07266 of 07269
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Fiz > One of -- if not the -- biggest mistakes the US has made in geopolitics, was not trying hard to befriend Russia,


Russia has a long and bloody history of invading and subjugating neighboring lands.

In the early stages of WWII Russia and Germany 'made a deal' to divide Eastern Europe between them. (And I seem to remember reading somewhere that neither of them intended to be 'friends' any longer than necessary.) Their 'deal' ended when Germany invaded Russia.

In World War II America and Russia were allies . . . Shortly after the war ended the Cold War began. Complete with the 'Space Race', the 'Arms Race', and proxy Wars - Russia 'ordered' N. Korea to invade S. Korea. Russia was backing the N. Vietnamese. And we Americans financed the 'mujaheedin' to hand Russia a loss in Afghanistan.

We spent how many gazillions of dollars to keep Russia from invading Western Europe?

If Russia wanted peace with the rest of the world . . . All they had to do was not invade Ukraine in 2014. If Russia wanted to keep the Crimean Peninsula, all they had to do was NOT invade the rest of Ukraine in 2022.

If memory serves me correctly, back in the early 1990's Ukraine had several megatons of formerly Soviet Nuclear weapons. Russia promised never to invade Ukraine if Ukraine would surrender the nukes. Ukraine gave up the nukes . . . and Russia broke its promise not to invade.

Oh yeah . . your 'shopkeepers' and the other 'little people' in Russia probably do not want war and maybe are even apalled by what is happening in UKraine . . . but the 'little people' do NOT make policy in russia, do they?

Russia has imperialistic ambitions and can NOT be trusted.
Zim.




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Trump vs. Zelinsky, Round 2.
By: Fiz in GRITZ
Thu, 24 Apr 25 5:07 AM 		Msg. 07263 of 07269

http://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/round-two-trump-excoriates-zelensky-rejecting-crimea-proposal-peace

Ukraine is a Trump-Trap. If Trump doesn't jusr WALK away, and soon, he is going to be stuck. he also needs to get out from under the thumb of Israeli, European, and US Neocons with regard to Iran and the middle-east in general. Abandoning Europe to its own fate (which doesn't look pretty at this point) is probably necessary.

I'm not exactly sure what to do about China and the BRICS in general. Except I am clear Trump has, IMO, maybe a 1:10 chance of "Making America Great Again" -- IF he strictly avoids foreign military adventures. I wouldn't give him 1:1000 odds if he allows himself to sucked into squandering time, resources, public support, and wealth on any more geopolitical dramas.

One of -- if not the -- biggest mistakes the US has made in geopolitics, was not trying hard to befriend Russia, instead of exploit it, after the peaceful breakup of the USSR. But the NeoCons are like NPCs in shooter game. You spend too much time trying to reason with them, your odds of winning go way down, real fast, every time.


I want to remind everyone that NONE of the populaions enslaved by the USSR actually chose Leninism. "The people" werent given a choice; that is what Leninism is all about: brutal oligarchy with no choice in anything. The Russian people did not CHOOSE the USSR...any more than did the Ukrainians, the Polish, the Georgians, the Hungarians, nor any other population captured by Lenin+Stalin and their brutal thugs.

That is what makes it so brain-dead for supposed "Americans" and other purported rational beings to want to PUNISH the great, great, grandchildren of the people who were FORCED into Leninist totalitarianism. I guess it is racism? But it seems even more irrational and ugly than that, to me.


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