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The court seems to be defending the rationale behind the government requiring you to purchase health care because the government will get handed the bill if you get sick without health care coverage. This seems reasonable to me.

There was a recent post by a conservative who posited that private charities would provide health care for the indigent. I talked myself out of wasting my time trying to explain reality to the rock-head, but I recognize that folks on this forum are more intellectually empowered.

Here is the reality; that the poor will continue to show up at emergency rooms with everything from head-colds to gunshot wounds, and many will be in advanced kidney failure or cardiac arrest due to neglecting easily treatable conditions. And unless you bar the door and deny them treatment they will continue to show up and the public will continue to pay the bill. Hospitals are legally required to treat people in emergencies, and while you maybe able to shoo away the person with the sniffles you will not be able to turn away the serious and very costly cases. The only choice (which has been deployed with some effect) is to close the hospitals in poorer areas and relocate them to affluent areas.

So it really comes down to two basic choices:

(1) Have a totally government-free capitalistic health care system, but you must come up with effective legislation to protect providers who turn away those unable to pay, and then have the stomach to standby and let the chips fall where they may. Those unable to pay must secure help from charities or deteriorate and die. Then build some crematoriums to start incinerating the bodies.

(2) Recognize that health care is a basic human right and come up with a cost effective way to provide it to all who need it regardless of ability to pay. There are many workable plans that have shown varying degrees of success in other countries to serve as models.

There really is no middle ground. Trying to tiptoe around this core truth only kicks the can farther down the road and solves nothing.


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G.W. Bush-Appointed Judge Rejects Constitutional Challenge to Obama's Health Care Reform Law
By: clo
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Thu, 30 Jun 11 3:01 AM
Msg. 30286 of 65535

G.W. Bush-Appointed Judge Rejects Constitutional Challenge to Obama's Health Care Reform Law

Posted: 06/29/11 02:51 PM ET

For the first time since Congress passed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, a Republican-appointed judge has voted to uphold Congress's power to enact the health care reform law, including the minimum coverage provision. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, the first court of appeals to rule on the merits of the issue, issued its ruling today in Thomas More Law Center v. Obama.

Judge Jeffrey Sutton--a prominent conservative appointed by President George W. Bush--agreed with his colleague, Judge Boyce Martin, a Carter-appointee, that the lawsuit by the Thomas More Legal Center should be thrown out. In doing so, Judge Sutton has transformed the debate over the Affordable Care Act and powerfully advanced the cause of judicial independence.

Much had been made of the fact that the district court judges who had considered the merits of the constitutional challenges to the Act had split along partisan lines: two Republican-appointed judges held the minimum coverage provision was unconstitutional, while two Democratic-appointed judges upheld the provision's constitutionality.

But with today's ruling, supported by a pair of judges considered, respectively, to be quite liberal and quite conservative, the American people are reminded that when judges do their job, the outcome depends not on which President appointed them, but on the law. 
And whether one thinks the Affordable Care Act is good or bad policy, it is constitutional. As Judge Sutton wrote, "Call this mandate what you will--an affront to individual autonomy or an imperative of national health care--it meets the requirement of regulating activities that substantially affect health care."

Judge Sutton also blew out of the water the major theme of the challengers' argument--a theme that plays well on TV and talk radio, but has absolutely no constitutional basis. The Act's challengers have vigorously pressed the argument that by allowing the federal government to require those who can afford it to purchase health insurance or pay a penalty, the courts will give Congress carte blanche to regulate all sorts of other "inactivity."

But Judge Sutton rightly noted that "No one is inactive when deciding how to pay for health care, as self-insurance and private insurance are two forms of action for addressing the same risk. Each requires affirmative choices; one is no less active than the other; and both affect commerce." 

Nonetheless, as Judge Sutton acknowledged, there is an intuitive appeal of this argument for most Americans, one that leads to the big-government nightmares of forced broccoli eating or mandated gym memberships. But Sutton makes clear that the Constitution does place limits on Congress's power beyond simply the Commerce Clause that would not leave Congress free to require Americans to do fifty push-ups every morning. As Sutton writes, "even the most powerful intuition about the meaning of the Constitution must be matched with a textual and enforceable theory"--and sound bites about government run amok in circumstances that the Constitution would clearly not allow do not make the cut.

On the other hand, the Sixth Circuit's ruling today does reaffirm another American intuition--that our Nation's judiciary is more independent and less partisan than our other branches of government. 
The judgment by Judge Boyce Martin and Judge Jeffrey Sutton that Congress has the power to enact the minimum coverage provision under the Constitution's Commerce Clause shows that constitutional disputes should, when the judiciary is working properly, turn on the text and history of our Nation's charter and controlling Supreme Court decisions.
Today's ruling is certainly a win for the Obama Administration, but it is also a victory for the Constitution and our judicial system. 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizabeth-b-wydra/gw-bushappointed-judge-re_b_887056.html


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