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But what about the loan officers who were being paid 3 or 4 times as much to put people into sub-prime loans versus conventional loans? Somewhere I read that fully 60% of the people who had taken out sub-prime loans could have qualified for conventional loans but that they were never told this, instead they were steered toward the sub-prime simply because there was more money to be made by the loan officer. At some point the people who created the environment which allowed this to happen should have been held responsible. The problem is that nothing that they did was illegal, which was the real 'crime', that our banking regulations had been allowed to deteriorate to the point where what to any logical person would say was a crime was merely the new 'norm' when it came to writing mortgages. This was one of the situations which drove the writing the of Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. But of course the Right thinks that everything is just fine and that we should have removed even more regulations from Wall Street and the banking industry and let the market run it's course, but only after the tax payer had bailed out the banksters and made sure that their 1% lifestyle was preserved.




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Re: Treat foreclosure as a crime scene
By: Decomposed
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Fri, 16 Dec 11 6:20 PM
Msg. 36966 of 65535

Let me start by pointing out that I'm fine with the possibility that a given foreclosure MIGHT include criminal fraud on the part of a bank or even realtor.

Sure. It happens. But I think that it is rare.

The problem I have is with what I perceive as the POLITICIZATION of foreclosure - the attempt to spin the millions of foreclosed Americans as "victims" - when I believe nearly all of them are simply people who got in over their heads on purchases they took on freely but couldn't really afford.

It's tempting to think of these people as IRRESPONSIBLE, but I won't - because people always need to be thought of as individuals, not as a group. Some of the foreclosed lost jobs that the odds overwhelmingly said they would keep. Some became unexpectedly ill... or died.

But, it's been documented that many, MANY others were profiteering - intentionally buying houses they KNEW they couldn't afford, counting on further price rises to create equity out of nothing. They'd then be in a position to refinance or to sell at a profit.

These folks - who were later foreclosed upon - are NOT victims. They took a gamble and lost. But, as competent adults, they made the buying decisions themselves, often seeking out realtors and lenders who were only too happy to help.

I resent like hell the attempt by politicians today to SPIN the emotions of the voting public to automatically assume that foreclosed homeowners are VICTIMS. Far from it. Most were simply unable to manage their finances.

Many years ago, I had a discussion about debt on Raging Bull's ROUND forum. I'm not going to bore you with all the details, but the gyst of it was my position that DEBT is essentially bad . . . versus everyone else who participated, saying it was essentially GOOD.

Today, I think we're getting a first hand look at why I was right. Forget about the good things that can come of debt. (Good things can come of playing too much craps, too.) Debt facilitates a VERY dangerous lifestyle and, ultimately, it has consequences.

People need to understand that. And, that if they elect to assume the debt anyway and wind up with consequences beyond their control, that's primarily their own fault. Not that of their facilitators.


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