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Decomposed!
You have a tendancy to make statements that you do not back with facts although you have provided some documentation to a few things that you state. Examples of this include 18,19,22,23,25,31,34, and 41! Some of the statements that you make are simply not true and several of them are pure distortions of the truth. An example is # 40 where you state that the ozone hole is expanding when it has been reported that, due to efforts in the upper atmosphere to contain flourocarbons over the last twenty five years, it is actually shrinking over the South Pole. Also in 40, no one that I know of is denying that any of these other phenonemon exists, or are any lessimpoertant than global warming. It is the right who have picked out global warming to vilify as a wedge issue to undermine the entire environmental movement. We used to have a board here called "The environmental clearing house formum", otherwise known as "Lucy's Place" which would have answered many of your questions with its voluminous front page and over 1,000 articles on the subject. However, it went away last year with so many other boards and posts that were wiped out at that time. In addition, some of your assertions and questions are not answerable simply because they fall into the catagory of which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Perhaps, when I have more time, I will take some of them one by one and try to offer you my opinions about them.
To make a long story short, however, it is safe to say that the earth is warming and what the ramifications of that phenomenon are, are really not entirely predictable.
Joe
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joe,
re: "I would answer more of your tirades if I thought that it would accomplish anything"
I’ve gotten used to getting no responses at all when I've attempted serious discussions on FFFT. What goes around, comes around. Do you understand that? I now give FFFT the courtesy it deserves … and which I've received in return on a daily basis since BEFORE I stopped being polite.
These days, I enjoy posting tirades, but this post won’t be one. This post will be serious.
Please answer the following questions about Global Warming if you can. If you're willing. If the statement I quoted from your last post is true.
I came up with the questions myself. You won't find such a list anywhere else. These are some of the IMPORTANT questions that I've been positing for years, without getting satisfactory answers... often completely stumping the 'Global Warming' sheep who go along with what they've been told without thinking for themselves.
But I hope you aren't such a person. This is a chance, then, to show us that you DO think for yourself... and maybe even to teach me something about an important subject.
I spent quite a bit of time coming up with this list for you. I hope you'll do us the courtesy of putting time into your responses.
1) Is the Earth's temperature actually rising?
2) How do we know?
3) ASSUMING THE ANSWER IS YES, by how much?
4) Will it continue to do this, or will forces, natural or unnatural, halt or reverse the process? (As has happened countless times in the past.)
5) What will a warmer Earth be like?
6) How do we know that?
7) Is that bad or good?
8 ) How do we know that?
9) What should be done about the rising temperature?
10) How much will doing this cost?
11) Who should foot the bill?
12) Does the world have that much money?
13) What will spending this much money do to our quality of life? In other words, what will our lives be like?
14) Does it make any sense to make the recommended changes when far larger polluters such as China aren't doing so?
15) Could doing this make the problem WORSE instead of better? (Letting a starving man stuff himself will KILL him.)
16) Could Global Warming just be a political tool, not a real threat?
17) Why are politicians on ONE SIDE using Global Warming to enhance their careers and fortunes?
18 ) Why are scientists who disagree about Global Warming being \"taken out\"?
19) Why are civilians who disagree about Global Warming taunted?
20) Why isn't it a HUGE story that, per #18, scientists are pressured to behave in a very unscientific manner... namely, to treat Global Warming as
fact? (Oregon’s chief meteorologist was fired by the governor because he “denied” Global Warming. NASA’s chief denied it, created a firestorm, then
abruptly backed off of the claim. I could go on.) There’s less pressure these days on deniers of RELATIVITY.
21) Since Global Warming is supposed to cause climate change, why are stories about heat, dryness and fire getting all the publicity, instead of stories of
cold, rain and blizzard?
22) Why is the New York Times printing articles about Virginia oceanside towns that are going underwater… and attributing it to Global Warming...
when we all know that the ocean rise has been insignificant. Besides, if the oceans had risen,
all such towns would be going underwater equally. So, why is the NYT printing such things?
23) Why are Global Warming stories that have since been proven false not commonly known? (The polar bear population is actually INCREASING, etc.)
24) Why is Global Warming so focused on the North Pole, where ice is decreasing, and not on the South Pole, where most of the world's ice is located?
25) Why is ice at the South Pole INCREASING?
26) Could the Sun actually be the cause of Global Warming?
27) How much of Global Warming could be due to the increased sunspot activity (which affects cloud formation)
28 ) Why is Global Warming Occurring?
29) Is Man responsible?
30) How do we know that?
31) Why are the ice caps on Mars decreasing?
32) Why is a WEAK greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, getting the blame? Water vapor is a far better greenhouse gas. Methane is vastly better still.
33) Based on studies of Antarctic ice, CO2 levels are today 94 ppm higher than they were 650,000 years ago. That means there is less than one
additional CO2 molecule for every TEN THOUSAND other molecules of air. The information comes from here – a global warming
site: http://www.thinkglobalgreen.org/CARBONDIOXIDE.html . I've studied chemistry. There are NO significant systemic changes that occur with chemical
introductions at those levels. Any comments?
34) Why isn’t Al Gore being crucified by scientists (and, actually, by everyone else) for his claim three years ago that oceans would rise TWO HUNDRED AND
TWENTY FEET (67 metres) between 2014 and 2019?
35) Has he lost his credibility because of this, in your view?
36) Are there any concerns by the left that Al Gore's exaggerations and fear-mongering have made him one of the Uber-wealthy that they claim to despise?
37) MIGHT, just MIGHT, that have been Al's real motive?
38 ) Where is the liberal outrage of the ENORMOUS carbon footprints generated by some of the Global Warming proponents best known politicians? (Al
Gore, Nancy Pelosi, John Edwards, to name just a few.)
39) Ray Kurzweil, one of the world's visionary geniuses (he's the premier authority on voice recognition, among many, many other things), sides with you that
the Earth IS warming. However, he is certain that it is an utter waste of time and money to do anything about it today since, within 30 years, nanotechnology will
have advanced to the point that carbon-eating nanobots will be readily available to deal with \"the problem\" for practically no cost. And today, we don't have
the technology to deal with the problem at all. WHY ISN'T THIS BEING DISCUSSED?
40) Why has the left zeroed in on Global Warming, and not the Earth’s other huge environmental problems –some of which we all acknowledge to
be real. What makes Global Warming more important than:
• The expanded ozone hole
• Depletion of the rain forests
• Pollution of the oceans
• Population growth
• Insufficient food production
• The water crisis
• The energy crisis
• Proliferation of nuclear weapons.
41) If Global Warming is such an open and shut phenomenon, why are there so many world class (and Nobel prize winning) physicists, chemists and
meteorologists who have stuck their necks out to denounce the weakness of the evidence, the contractory evidence, and the theory's many flaws?
Why are the Left treating Global Warming like a religion, to be accepted with faith, to not be challenged?
Have you, who claimed to know better than me, actually given Global Warming nearly this much thought?
Does it bother you that so many of these questions are unanswered by others?
How well did you do at providing responses you're confident with??
I’ve got many more. It's a complicated subject. But I think that’s enough for you to chew on for a while.
Proceeding to tackle Global Warming without satisfactory answers to nearly all of these questions... and so many others... is sheer stupidity since it will mean that we REALLY won’t know what we’re doing … or why ... but spending the money and possibly doing the damage anyway. Yet I don't see anyone on the left paying such questions serious heed. They’re just marching forward, in lockstep. That is truly disturbing.
You sometimes seem sincere, joe - though NOT when you criticize the side you’re not on when yours is doing the same thing. Hopefully, you’re being sincere right now. I've been posting these questions for years. No Global Warming proponent has *EVER* made an effort to answer them. Is it any wonder, then, that objective, courageous people do the responsible thing and express their doubt?
Because of the political momentum it has gained, going along with Global Warming is the easy way. Lazy people can do it since it doesn’t prompt derision or threaten Federal funding for whatever your program is. Challenging it, on the other hand, actually takes effort and courage. Thankfully, a few of us are willing to do so.
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