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I have no idea if what you say about systematic data manipulation is true, I suspect not.

The models actually predict that some places will get colder, it seems odd to remove data consistent with the model.

Global Climate change was inserted to replace Global Warming, because for those who cactually look into it, the modelling is that some places will get warmer and some will get colder ... that the NET effect isone of global warming, but that for some the phrase was confusing because if they could find a weather station where it did not occur they would hunker down in denial.

There is no doubt that aspects of the modelling are troubling, and indeed, that components of causality are well challeneged (and seeing that causality is at the core of the argument, that is by no means trivial).

To me, in the end, whether observed reality is a consequence of human activity or not is only barely relevant, as that activity is largely extant, and I have no theories, plans or ideas to suddently make human deliberately less successful for the sake of targeting a particular global temperature, sea level or whatever.

Again, successful species invariably have significant impacts on their environment. I don't think it is something to be ashamed of (the left) or deny (the right). It is entirely expected, natural, and dare I say proper. WE SHOULD AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENT. That is what success means.

Still, that we do requires us to understand it, accomadate it, and in the case of serious biblical type stuff, seek to prevent it if we reasonably can (I have seen little to suggest that we can reasonably amend current matters).


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Re: Clinton in Arctic to see impact of climate change
By: Zimbler0
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Mon, 04 Jun 12 8:45 PM
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DigSpace> It is at once tragic that the right so busy arguing there is no such thing and the left is so busy thinking if cars got a little cleaner we could roll back the clock.


Denial?
If I had every reason to believe the facts were
being presented truthfully and honestly you might
be right calling it denial.

But I know the global warming alarmists tell lies.

I know that the folks supposedly 'tracking'
temperature change had 'adjusted' the recorded
temperatures and then destroyed the old evidence.

I know that 'they' are skewing the data by dropping
weather stations that report lower temperatures.

Is the 'global warming' real?

That is a HUGE question that can no longer be
answered.

And what are the 'solutions'?

'I' must lower my personal standard of living while
turds like al gore burn through megawatts like no
tomorrow?

My part of the world MUST reduce our standard of
living while simultaneously enriching third world
kleptocrats in the name of global warming? Where is
the solution?

Obama wants a carbon tax . . . so's he can steal the
money out of my pocket and give it to the 'poor' so's
they can afford the higher electric costs I won't be
able. Where's the solution?

Windmill generators might be part of the solution . .
Even if the watts are expensive, those rich turds
around Nantucket Bay can certainly afford it. But
no windmills so . . . No solution.

Solar panels might help . . . so obama makes his
friends and patrons rich . . . and we got no panels,
no 'green jobs', and another half Billion in debt.

And, NO solution.

I'm not in denial.

Once I would have agreed with you.

Till I found they was lying and stealing all in the
name of manmade global warming.

Screw it.

Zim.


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