re: "If that be true . . . then KTC ought to be able to explain his meaning."
Give the man some time. It's not a simple subject.
By way of example, who would you say are the defenders of our national parks? Liberals or conservatives?
Your answer should be "conservatives," - although liberals have so thoroughly ensconced themselves into the environmental fracas that, these days, it is hard to tell where one side ends and the other begins. As a guide, you might look for signs that logic has ended and emotion has begun. There, you'll find the marker.
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