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By: Decomposed in POPE IV | Recommend this post (1)
Mon, 20 Feb 17 9:23 PM | 91 view(s)
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re: "The PAINT itself may not be bad."

I'm sure you're right that it wouldn't cost anything to fix the problem. What does it mean, then, that even years later... when Geo is gone and only Toyota Corollas were still being sold... Corollas continued to have the paint problem? Was it just that Toyota didn't care, knowing that these were likely starter cars for many people, and once they were eight or nine years old the majority would be replaced anyway? Is it their belief that since it doesn't impact the Corolla's reliability rating, it doesn't matter?

It matters. It reflects on the company.

I see something similar in Chevrolets. Back in the day (1985) when my brother had a Corvette, he used to go on weekly tirades about how the car was nickle and diming him to death. One day, it was that a heater knob fell off. Another day it, the window's up and down button. At one point, there was something wrong with the acceleration pedal. Another time, the car's carpet started coming off.

The whole car was made of parts that didn't last. But they didn't affect the Corvette's ability to drive, and I guess that was the only thing that mattered to Chevrolet. At the time, they were bragging about all the improvements they'd made. True enough. Corvettes produced in the late '80s lasted a lot longer than their predecessors - but not without an endless stream of shop visits.

Today I own a Chevrolet Silverado. It's nine years old but only has 50,000 miles on it. I'm beginning to experience the same thing - problems galore that are simply AGE related. My left radio speaker went out. My left window button went out. My RIGHT speaker went out. (My guess is that water is able to get into the doors, causing corrosion.) My tire pressure sensors have failed. There's a charging problem where, if I drive a long time with the headlights and radio on (and I have to crank it up loud in order to get enough sound out of the dashboard speakers), the battery gradually drains (so every two months, I hook up a battery charger whether the truck is symptomatic or not.) These are all little things, but each will run me a few hundred dollars so I do without. They're aggravating and make me not want to buy American again.

And then there's THE BAILOUT - but I won't go there. Not today.
 





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Re: Soliciting Recommendations on a used car...
By: micro
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Mon, 20 Feb 17 6:15 PM
Msg. 21138 of 47202

Hey De,

just looking at the picture you posted on the top coat of paint on that car indicates to me,( and I do this for a living and had for a career as well), that there was lack of adhesion between the base or prime coat and the finish or top coat of paint.

There can be several factors that affect that condition and the factory should have been aware that it existed from testing.

The PAINT itself may not be bad. What was bad was the application process which includes preparation and pre-treatment before application of the primer coat and AFTER the primer coat before the topcoat was applied.

But , in the end, when you as a consumer and owner of a vehicle that looks like that rightfully see is a "crappy paint job" and that is true.

I just had that same conversation on Friday afternoon at a company that makes Iron Gates and fencing and they have allowed their subcontractor for their "paint" finish to choose a coating that MAYBE will last two years before it begins to weather and the owner I was talking with and trying to educate as I ascertained he literally knew NOTHING about powder coating, doesn't have the fortitude to even call the subcontractor and tell him to explore the costs and pricing of a coating that will last at minimum 7 years before it even HINTS of a slight change in gloss, not color.

Difference in price would likely be ZERO.

Lots of morons out there who really could care less about their end customers and desire to go through life willfully ignorant and stupid.

I let him know before I left that I could not in good conscience ever recommend to a consumer to purchase his product as it is vastly inferior and will not last for what people pay for it. I know too many other shops like his who do a much better job.

But, yes sir, that paint job is horrific and could have been avoided by the company and some engineers should have caught that.

Shame on them....


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