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Ramifications: This means that 'international law' is no longer acceptable. It greatly effects maritime operations.
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Ummmm. . .
Do 'We' have authority over, say, the South China Sea?
I don't think so. It is not American Territorial waters.

So, who does?
If one asks the Chinese, they might say the American
Navy should be barred from the South China Sea.

International Law - as formulated and accepted by Treaties
provides a framework under which trade and travel can
be accomplished. Along with the right for the American
Navy to conduct operations inside the South China Sea,
as necessary.

Now I would go so far as to say that any 'Treaty' which
runs afoul of the Constitution should be stricken down
as Un-Constitutional.

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Constitutional Convention - The Nature of Change - Part 3 of 3
By: monkeytrots
in CONSTITUTION
Fri, 24 Feb 17 6:37 AM
Msg. 21493 of 21975

Constitutional Convention - The Nature of Change - Part 3 of 3

Structural Change: Article 6 - Limiting the Powers of Treaty

Introduction

There is no larger threat to our right to rule ourselves as sovereign nation than that which is present in Article 6 of the United States Constitution.

This is a reality which comes closer every year; from foreign cultures that criminalize speech that defames a religion, from foreign cultures that legalize many forms of immorality, from foreign cultures that seek to strip all peoples of their right to have and bear arms to protect themselves against oppressive governance.

We have seen these attempts at subjugating all peoples present in numerous modern day treaties, world courts, and other mechanisms.

While it may have been expediency to subjugate the protections of the United States Constitution at the time of this nations founding, in order to secure international acceptance and recognition of a fledgling nation, this is no longer an acceptable state of affairs.

The section of Article 6 that is being actively abused to bring about a totalitarian enslavement of these United States is this:

Article 6 - United States Constitution -

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The problem: ; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.

This is unacceptable. This allows Treaties to become a means for amending THIS CONSTITUTION and putting in place laws and losses of freedoms in conflict with our current body of laws and protections, through the process of making Treaties.

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The Change

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

No Treaty made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States may ever implement laws or changes to This Constitution.
No citizen of these United States shall ever be subject to the power of any foreign power while standing on any territory of These United States, nor shall any citizen of these United States be surrendered to any foreign power, nor be forcibly removed from the territory and jurisdiction of these United States. Citizens of these United States shall only be subject to This Constitution and the Laws of the United States while that citizen remains in United States territory.

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Ramifications: This means that 'international law' is no longer acceptable. It greatly effects maritime operations.

If this stands in the way of Treaties that will be made, or have been made, so be it. Changes to the United States Constitution and the Laws of the United States must ONLY be accomplished by the means and methods specified by this Constition of These United States.

There can be no exceptions. No back door. No granting of power to those to whom we have no recourse against, and to those whom we have no voice in electing.

If Treaties require changes to our laws in order for those agreements to be made, the changes to OUR LAWS must be made first, through OUR LEGISLATURE, OUR CONSTITUTION, and OUR PRESIDENT.

In no case can Treaties, or the United Nations, nor any OTHER foreign power be allowed to govern us. We, the people of these United States, do not grant this power, nor do we relinquish this power to any other.

Yes, this GREATLY modifies the negotiation stance of the United States in dealing with foreign principalities.

This is as it should be.


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