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MT,
I was under the impression that Sarin gas was one of
those substances terrorists usually did not have
access to . . . as in only State sized organizations
had the capacity or capability to make it.

How hard is it to make Sarin?

Zim.

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No, You Can’t Make Sarin in Your Kitchen

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-10-10/no-you-can-t-make-sarin-in-your-kitchen

President Bashar al-Assad has repeatedly deflected accusations that the Syrian regime was responsible for the chemical-weapons attack Aug. 21 that killed hundreds of civilians. Instead, Assad and his allies such as the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, allege that the Ghouta attacks were carried out by rebels who deployed homemade sarin gas in an effort to discredit the government and spark an international intervention in the civil war.

As Assad put it in an interview with former Representative Dennis Kucinich broadcast Sept. 18 on Fox News: “First of all, the sarin gas is called kitchen gas. Do you know why? Because anyone can make sarin in his house.”

That statement should be met with disbelief.

In my professional career, I studied the U.S.’s industrial production of sarin during the 1950s and in the late 1980s. Through my work in chemical counterterrorism, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out what malfeasants would have to do to make sarin on their own. I worked it out for myself in 2001 using a number of unique references including classified documents left over from the Cold War. I can say with certainty that it isn’t feasible in a household setting.

First, there’s the issue of ingredients. Some, such as sodium fluoride, are easier to get than, say, methylphosphonyl difluoride, which has little or no legitimate application other than the production of chemical weapons. (Nevertheless, in 2001, a writer for Scientific American managed to order the ingredients on the Internet.)

Even if the precursors are obtainable, anyone trying to make sarin in an at-home lab would face a challenge because, in many ways, the ingredients are more dangerous than the final product. An intermediate step in the production, for example, requires the use of hydrogen fluoride gas at a high temperature. Hydrogen fluoride is nasty stuff, and a lot of it is needed to make sarin. Even in its more stable liquid form, the smallest leak would destroy all the chemistry equipment and almost everything else in a modern kitchen. Anyone trying to combine these ingredients may kill or seriously harm himself and anyone nearby.

Most of the ingredients for sarin are extremely sensitive to water, and some are highly flammable. There is great potential for explosive reactions. Another difficult step is refining the excess hydrogen fluoride out of the mix, which makes the gas storable. A short shelf life may not matter to a terrorist, but it certainly matters if the gas is being produced a little at a time to prepare a major attack.

Another impediment to artisanal production is that the process will produce substantial waste, some almost as noxious as the gas itself.

The “kitchen sarin” hypothesis also presents a problem of scale. Based on the most generous assumptions, the Ghouta attacks would have required large amounts of sarin. Using old U.S. offensive chemical target analysis charts, I calculated that one phase of the attack -- in Zamalka -- required at least 1 ton of sarin. It is unlikely that a small production facility could produce that much.


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BREAKING! The Truth About Syria Is Out Folks - Look What A GOP Senator Just Revealed!!
By: monkeytrots
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Fri, 07 Apr 17 8:08 AM
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http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=72321

Senator Dick Black (R-VA) does not believe Syrian President Assad used chemical weapons on his own people due to lack of motive. Senator Black stated ISIS could be using this as a propaganda tool to take out their biggest enemy which is Assad. According to a 2013 Washington Times report, this isn't the first time terrorist organizations used chemical weapons and blamed it on Assad.

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And we are supposed to take the word of 'Turkey' that sarin was used - and even if it were Al Nusra has the ability (well documented) to manufacture sarin.

Will post Hersh's award winning piece on Al Nusra and Sarin next. Have been reading that most of the day (off and on - long piece.) Be sure to read the rebuttals, AND then watch Hersh destroy the rebuttals in the comment section.



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